tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2343439372519556254.post328906914613567989..comments2024-02-11T03:50:53.613-05:00Comments on Counterlight's Peculiars: Christian MartyrsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2343439372519556254.post-39968605619833216922015-09-11T17:06:59.729-04:002015-09-11T17:06:59.729-04:00I'm not sure the Dutch nurses who oppose abort...I'm not sure the Dutch nurses who oppose abortion amount to quite the same thing. I doubt that there are institutions here that would not allow them to excuse themselves from procedures that they object to. Kim Davis had that option. She could have simply left same-sex marriages to her assistants in the County Clerk's office (5 out of 6 of them were willing to certify such marriages even before Kim Davis forbid them to do so). That's the real problem. She forbade her subordinates (who did not share her religious beliefs) from following the law laid down by the recent Supreme Court decision, putting them in possible legal jeopardy as well as herself.<br /><br />The religious right in this country compares Kim Davis to Rosa Parks, the Civil Rights pioneer who refused to give up her seat to a white man and to move to the back of the bus in Montgomery, Alabama. A comedian pointed out that Kim Davis is not like Rosa Parks at all. She's more like the bus driver who refused to drive the bus until Ms. Parks yielded her seat and went to the back of the bus.Counterlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345956180434795401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2343439372519556254.post-77074504798285849402015-09-08T16:39:17.393-04:002015-09-08T16:39:17.393-04:00In the Dutch province Zeeland some 30 ( if not 40;...<br />In the Dutch province Zeeland some 30 ( if not 40; oh dear...!) years ago two girls brought up in a very conservative splinter of the Dutch Reformed Church (TV is the devil's own box, go cycling on a sunday and you put you soul in peril) decided they wanted to be nurses, to help delivering healthy babies to happy mothers.<br />To their horror, abortion appeared to be part of the nursing school's curriculum.IIRC they graduated, after which the local hospital indeed expected them to assist with abortions. They resigned. <br />I sympathise with those girls, who I doubt not might have made excelllent nurses, and I do think the hospital could easily have performed abortions without them, out of respect their religious principles.<br /><br />Any thoughts?Gerrithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04910180248036790177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2343439372519556254.post-29430724291148625312015-09-03T14:54:42.413-04:002015-09-03T14:54:42.413-04:00I don't like it either, but I post it because ...I don't like it either, but I post it because I think he speaks for a lot of gays and lesbians, maybe most.<br />Openly gay and Christian is a very rare fish these days. I'm not sure there's much more that we can do alone other than to throw ourselves at Tony Perkins. He'd just step over us anyway.Counterlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345956180434795401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2343439372519556254.post-90144684206559784082015-09-03T05:55:17.002-04:002015-09-03T05:55:17.002-04:00"the mousy, near-complicit silence of left-wi..."the mousy, near-complicit silence of left-wing and progressive Christians"<br /><br />I'm curious how you feel about this accusation, Doug. I find it painful. Sure, partly in a "truth hurts" sense. But more in a "why do you think we 'left-wing and progressive Christians' (which the media has ZERO interest in, no matter what we do or say) are SUPERMEN/WOMEN? The idea that because I happen to have a belief-system that has <i>one word</i>, one SOUND, < ˈdʒiːzəs >, in common w/ the Christianists, that I can control them?"<br /><br />It's almost like an anti-theist like Savage (etc) really DOES believe enough in the supernatural---when it comes to, say, Episcopalians like me---that we can have Divine Powers!<br /><br />...and as a Queer Christi--, no, <i>follower</i> of the Prince of Peace (Episcopalian), feeling like Christianists want to (literally, qua Matthew Shepherd) crucify me for the former, and anti-theists want to emotionally (spiritually?) um, "Savage" me for the latter. It's No-Win. And when cornered into a No-Win situation, I tell ya, I'm not calling out "Oh Queer Anti-Theism, SAVE me!" Nope, I lean on the everlasting arms of ˈdʒiːzəs...JCFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14516376500318551838noreply@blogger.com